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Post by Aaron on May 20, 2010 7:09:30 GMT -5
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Post by zooford on May 20, 2010 7:12:44 GMT -5
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Post by Dana on May 20, 2010 8:59:04 GMT -5
Hmm, I hear a defamation suit on the way. Floyd may need a much bigger legal fund soon.
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Post by Bayden on May 20, 2010 9:20:06 GMT -5
Wow wow wow.. haha intense allegations!
"Landis also claims in the e-mail that Armstrong had told him Bruyneel met with the International Cycling Union to ensure details of a positive test remained confidential due to a “financial agreement” "
That's so f-in crazy that it might actually be true.
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Post by Aaron on May 20, 2010 9:57:58 GMT -5
They're all dopers.
6.7 w/kg lactate threshold?
GTFO!
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Post by Aaron on May 20, 2010 10:27:12 GMT -5
"In a phone interview with ESPN, Landis admitted that he has no evidence to support his accusations against his former teammates and fellow riders, coaches and even some national and international officials."
Slander whhhhhhhattttt!
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Post by zooford on May 20, 2010 11:32:11 GMT -5
hiyoooooooooo
of course the irony is that even if the allegations ARE true, Landis had/has dug himself such an insurmountable hole that nobody will believe him. silly, silly floyd.
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Post by zooford on May 20, 2010 11:39:13 GMT -5
is this beautiful irony? or really effective google ad coding?...  |
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Post by brianp on May 20, 2010 17:01:08 GMT -5
This board has ads?
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Post by trev on May 20, 2010 21:44:34 GMT -5
They're all dopers. 6.7 w/kg lactate threshold? GTFO! agreed, at that level if you want to compete with everyone you need to be doping or you'll go no where. A guy I knew from Brant Cycle went to Europe a few years back to be on a pro team's farm team for younger riders. As soon as he got there they told him to start taking test. and anabols to improve his power. After a year of 8hour training rides he packed it in and is now at home being a bum. But if they are telling their farm teams to dope then you for sure know its happening on the top teams |
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Post by zooford on May 21, 2010 14:28:08 GMT -5
i believe that ^ is a similar story to a young rider currently attending the UoG who went to europe for a stint last year. Ridiculous.
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Post by McGrill on May 21, 2010 18:27:32 GMT -5
Well I'm certainly not an expert, but for a lot of the riders isn't it legit to take a little testosterone?
If I'm not mistaken since testosterone is obviously naturally produced by your body, the doping test is based off a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone. If you're test result shows a ratio that is greater than naturally possible, then you were obviously doping and had an unfair advantage. So for people with a low/lower testosterone level, if you want to be as competitive as someone with a naturally high testosterone levels, it seems like it wouldn't be doping to take testosterone, only "leveling the playing field".
For example, lance has no balls so he's got to be taking some type of testosterone therapy, and I'd bet that he's at the maximum limit for that ratio.
So to me it doesn't sound terrible that pro teams are trying to give all their riders the chance to compete on a level playing field... it seems like a personal choice, but at a pro level if you want to be as good as the guy with the naturally high testosterone levels, who trains as much as you and has all the same physiologic gifts as you, you better have the same testosterone level too. right?
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Post by Christopher J! on May 21, 2010 20:46:39 GMT -5
^what dave's lover says is valid, and also has great scientific reasoning to it.
what mo-money has said explains alot.
that is my intelligent contribution to this thread. word.
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Post by trev on May 21, 2010 23:17:34 GMT -5
Well I'm certainly not an expert, but for a lot of the riders isn't it legit to take a little testosterone? If I'm not mistaken since testosterone is obviously naturally produced by your body, the doping test is based off a ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone. If you're test result shows a ratio that is greater than naturally possible, then you were obviously doping and had an unfair advantage. So for people with a low/lower testosterone level, if you want to be as competitive as someone with a naturally high testosterone levels, it seems like it wouldn't be doping to take testosterone, only "leveling the playing field". For example, lance has no balls so he's got to be taking some type of testosterone therapy, and I'd bet that he's at the maximum limit for that ratio. So to me it doesn't sound terrible that pro teams are trying to give all their riders the chance to compete on a level playing field... it seems like a personal choice, but at a pro level if you want to be as good as the guy with the naturally high testosterone levels, who trains as much as you and has all the same physiologic gifts as you, you better have the same testosterone level too. right? yah that makes sense. I know that a pro rider (cant remember the name) tested positive for EPO when he said that all he did was sleep in a hyperberic chamber in the months leading to the race. He could be right although he probably did dope, his levels could've exceeded the limits from sleeping in the chamber if he already naturally had high levels ot begin with. Thats the problem when testing for RBC count and test. It is not a cut and dry you did or didnt use, its a level that you have to be below. And btw injecitng a saline solution into the blood stream before a test spreads out the RBC so the test will not show as many. Just a little tip for those headed to Europe this season and want to beat the system;) |
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Post by brianp on May 22, 2010 0:25:58 GMT -5
I always found this Landis nugget from the movie "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" pretty amusing. link. bit.ly/cU9M1R |
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Post by Christopher J! on May 22, 2010 20:45:53 GMT -5
that video is interesting, but does altitude stuff really make that huge of a difference? Doping and EPO are a much higher advantage no?
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Post by trev on May 23, 2010 23:05:23 GMT -5
same effect EPO and doping being more direct and there is only a certain level you can reach with altitude until you die from too thin air. There is also a limit of the amount of RBC in your blood. Too high a level (I forget the number it may be 23g/ml or something) and your heart will stop. Thanks to all the cyclists deaths when EPO was first used we now know the max amount an athlete can have until their heart has a high risk of stopping
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Post by Christopher J! on May 24, 2010 0:26:15 GMT -5
You know a lot about this Trev. Which makes you one of 3 things; in a cool program where you may learn such things, a generally knowledgeable guy, OR a blood doper.
I choose to believe the latter.
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Post by zooford on May 24, 2010 1:20:59 GMT -5
DOPER!
how dare you bring that poison into the club, Trev. prepare to get yo' ass LYNCHED!
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Post by trev on May 24, 2010 21:43:22 GMT -5
I must be a real bad doper then cause its only gotten me to Expert- seriously though you're not cool unless you try it
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Post by Christopher J! on May 25, 2010 8:50:31 GMT -5
....well if you guys will think more of me because I'm cool....
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Post by trev on May 25, 2010 15:02:02 GMT -5
all the cool kids are doing it c'mon
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Post by Christopher J! on May 25, 2010 15:04:54 GMT -5
you make a very solid argument.
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Post by Aaron on May 29, 2010 10:48:51 GMT -5
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Post by zooford on May 29, 2010 17:54:35 GMT -5
hahahah "oh shit, we're next!"
poor floyd.
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Post by Christopher J! on May 30, 2010 17:11:23 GMT -5
the brown dude is very diplomatic. landis seems like a hamburger head to me. and i hope he reads this forum.
rawr
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Post by Christopher J! on Nov 14, 2011 21:25:44 GMT -5
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